From "Dan": My Response: Dan's response:
No more discussion about evolution. We are obviously going no where.
One question though...
Would it weaken your faith in God if by some token evolution was the absolute truth? It shouldn't. Millions of people don't take the scripture literally, and still have a relationship with God.
In my opinion, you are setting yourself up for some major problems if you continue to take the literal meaning of the bible as the absolute truth.
I am assuming this is why you stand against evolution (religious reasons). Surely you couldn't be an unbiased, and open-minded on the subject or you wouldn't deny something that the vast, vast, vast majority of the scientific community considers truth.
One question though...
Would it weaken your faith in God if by some token evolution was the absolute truth? It shouldn't. Millions of people don't take the scripture literally, and still have a relationship with God.
In my opinion, you are setting yourself up for some major problems if you continue to take the literal meaning of the bible as the absolute truth.
I am assuming this is why you stand against evolution (religious reasons). Surely you couldn't be an unbiased, and open-minded on the subject or you wouldn't deny something that the vast, vast, vast majority of the scientific community considers truth.
My Response:
Valid question, Daniel.
IF evolution were undoubtedly the absolute truth, I would have no faith in God. I would have no solid ground; no solid foundation to believe in. That is why I believe macro-evolution is false. The reason why there is so much variance in evolution theory is because the foundation is unstable.
That would mean the ultimate standard of which I believe (the Bible) is wrong. The Bible very clearly and literally tells of God's creation. How can a person cherry pick from the Bible and not accept it in its entirety? Either God is completely correct or He's completely wrong. There is no in-between. How would I know what to believe or not to believe. There is no standard.
What if what I told you that something in the Bible is true and then a year later, I tell you I was previously mistaken and I have new proof to confirm something else is now true? I would have no merit.
I fully understand that the vast majority of the scientific community does not believe in God the creator. I also believe that vast majority of the world is on the wrong side of God's favor and will be judged. Majority doesn't determine what is truth. Our country has this principle built into our government.
I also know that many scientists have been in the minority only to be proven that the majority was wrong. The majority doesn't bother me in the slightest bit.
You are right that I stand against evolution because of my belief in God. Everyone has pre-suppositions. Nobody can come to believe on the Lord, God on their own convictions. To a person it is foolishness. God must reveal Himself to a person.
I often make the mistake of thinking that I can convince people by trying to win arguments. My pride sometimes gets the best of me. However, what I try and do is tell people to consider that there is a God. I sincerely believe there is strong scientific evidence along with evidence from the Bible that God is in fact alive.
With that in mind, if God is creator of the universe, we are compelled to honor where we came from. I believe that God is Holy and Just and nothing impure can stand in His presence. That is why the Christ, the Messiah, serves as a propitiation of sin for the world.
Hope this helps you understand were us "Jesus freaks" are coming from. I know you don't agree, but hopefully this sheds some understanding and I pray that you'll understand.
IF evolution were undoubtedly the absolute truth, I would have no faith in God. I would have no solid ground; no solid foundation to believe in. That is why I believe macro-evolution is false. The reason why there is so much variance in evolution theory is because the foundation is unstable.
That would mean the ultimate standard of which I believe (the Bible) is wrong. The Bible very clearly and literally tells of God's creation. How can a person cherry pick from the Bible and not accept it in its entirety? Either God is completely correct or He's completely wrong. There is no in-between. How would I know what to believe or not to believe. There is no standard.
What if what I told you that something in the Bible is true and then a year later, I tell you I was previously mistaken and I have new proof to confirm something else is now true? I would have no merit.
I fully understand that the vast majority of the scientific community does not believe in God the creator. I also believe that vast majority of the world is on the wrong side of God's favor and will be judged. Majority doesn't determine what is truth. Our country has this principle built into our government.
I also know that many scientists have been in the minority only to be proven that the majority was wrong. The majority doesn't bother me in the slightest bit.
You are right that I stand against evolution because of my belief in God. Everyone has pre-suppositions. Nobody can come to believe on the Lord, God on their own convictions. To a person it is foolishness. God must reveal Himself to a person.
I often make the mistake of thinking that I can convince people by trying to win arguments. My pride sometimes gets the best of me. However, what I try and do is tell people to consider that there is a God. I sincerely believe there is strong scientific evidence along with evidence from the Bible that God is in fact alive.
With that in mind, if God is creator of the universe, we are compelled to honor where we came from. I believe that God is Holy and Just and nothing impure can stand in His presence. That is why the Christ, the Messiah, serves as a propitiation of sin for the world.
Hope this helps you understand were us "Jesus freaks" are coming from. I know you don't agree, but hopefully this sheds some understanding and I pray that you'll understand.
Dan's response:
Neil Jr.-
Very eloquently put. I respect all your beliefs and what you said, and have no right, or basis to try to argue. You are a good man, and I'm sure your morals are up with the best up them, as you are Neil's son.
Good conversation. I enjoy good conversation because it make me think and question my beliefs. I hope I never offended you in anything I said, as that was most definitely not my intention.
Hopefully we can discuss other issues in the future. It's been a pleasure.
Take Care-
Dan
Very eloquently put. I respect all your beliefs and what you said, and have no right, or basis to try to argue. You are a good man, and I'm sure your morals are up with the best up them, as you are Neil's son.
Good conversation. I enjoy good conversation because it make me think and question my beliefs. I hope I never offended you in anything I said, as that was most definitely not my intention.
Hopefully we can discuss other issues in the future. It's been a pleasure.
Take Care-
Dan
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